Bisexual Lovers in the Hands of a Peevish God — I Samuel 18

Peterson Toscano Zoom bombs the podcast to talk about the love between Jonathan and David, but really he is mostly curious about God in the story. The story of King Saul, Prince Jonathan, and future king David is one filled with desire and jealousy. We hear a lot about Saul’s jealousy over David. There is fear of being replaced and of no longer being the big man. A younger, shinier thing captured the people’s eyes. And this is exactly what God feels towards Saul when it turns out the people were tired of Judges leading through God and instead wanted a king. God begrudgingly gives them Saul and then slams Saul through the Prophet Samuel over and over.

Also, something of note: Verse 20 Now Saul’s daughter Michal loved David. According to “Michal is the only woman in the Bible of whom it is said that she loved a man.” The Book of All Books by Roberto Calasso

Liam brings “The Other Text” with a beautiful reading of Robin Wall Kimmerer’s Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teachings of Plants.

As a botanist, Robin Wall Kimmerer has been trained to ask questions of nature with the tools of science. As a member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation, she embraces the notion that plants and animals are our oldest teachers. In Braiding Sweetgrass, Kimmerer brings these lenses of knowledge together to show that the awakening of a wider ecological consciousness requires the acknowledgment and celebration of our reciprocal relationship with the rest of the living world. For only when we can hear the languages of other beings are we capable of understanding the generosity of the earth, and learning to give our own gifts in return.



In Trans-Forming Proclamation, Liam Hooper tenderly explores gender and the Bible. This book actually defies genre. With rich patches of poetry, memoir, and devotional, Liam weaves together inspiring literary insights with grounded, original, and informed scholarship. Trans-Forming proclamation: A Transgender Theology of Daring Existence is new wine in a new wine skin. It is Inventive, artful, and liberating. Available on Amazon and published by Otherwise Engaged.

About US

In each episode of Bible Bash Podcast, , Liam Michael Hooper, a white trans Bible scholar and Don Durham, a white, cis, heterosexual farmer, minister, and podcaster take turns presenting the text. They then discuss. In addition, each episode they present another text, a non-Biblical text of note–religious or secular–that may or may not correspond to the Bible text.

Bible Bash Podcast is a collaborative project created by Liam Hooper, Don Durham, and Peterson Toscano.

Our theme song is Playbill by The Jellyrox. It is available on iTunes, Spotify, or through Rock Candy Recordings. You also heard Soothing Nature from Epidemic Sound. The show is edited by Peterson Toscano.

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